Marty Lurie Talks San Francisco Giants Baseball
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What's Going on with the Managers?


This time of year most losing teams are looking around in an effort to hire the right manager for next season.

All of a sudden, the A’s, Giants, Mariners, and Cubs have become entwined in a tug of war over potential managers that is worthy of a Hollywood script.

The A’s won 103 games, the Mariners in the 90’s, the Giants may win the World Series, and the Cubs have the best up and coming rotation in baseball.

Why are these teams connected in their search, click “read more”Dusty Baker has prepared everyone the Bay Area for his departure following the 2002 season. Trouble is, the season didn’t end when Peter Magowan thought it would and now Magowan is stuck rehiring Dusty at the figure Dusty wants, if and only if, Dusty wants to stick around.

Things got so bad in August when the Giants were floundering that the “replace Dusty” rumors took on a life of their own.

This was reminiscent of what happened in 1964 when the St. Louis Cardinals wanted to can manager Johnny Keane and replace the Cardinal skipper with Leo Durocher. The wheels were in place, GM Bing Devine, Keane’s boss, was fired and replaced in August with the Cards well behind the Phillies.

Surely, Keane’s demise would soon follow.

A funny thing happened on the way to the firing, The Phillies folded up, the Cards sneaked in and won the NL flag and headed into the World Series against the Yankees.

After seven tense games, the Cards beat NY and Keane had his championship and the Cards thought they still had their manager.

At a team party, immediately following the clinching, Keane got up to accept the congratulations of owner Gussie Busch, a jerk if there ever was one.

Keane surprised the owner by resigning on the spot instead of accepting an offer for another contract, embarrassing Busch in front of the organization.

Busch reacted by hiring long time Cardinal Red Schoendienst as manager to appease the faithful, while Keane moved on to NY to replace Yogi Berra, his world series opponent, who was fired by the Yankees.

What a sequel to the 1964 World Series.

All this sounds very similar to what Dusty Baker went through this summer while the Giants were 10 games behind in August. He was out the door and telling his friends that it was time to move on.

So, don’t bet on Dusty staying in SF even though Magowan will eat crow and offer Baker the contract of a lifetime (just like Busch did). Baker is a very proud man and didn’t like being vilified by the press in the Bay Area or by being hung out to dry by Magowan.

When Lou Piniella leaves Seattle, Baker is a very likely candidate to succeed Sweet Lou.

Baker and Seattle, a perfect fit.

I can’t wait to see what Baker tells Magowan when the owner tries to sway Baker to stay in SF.

Now, the fun starts. If Baker leaves San Francisco who follows him?

Some say Jim Fregosi, who is one of the biggest public relations nightmares of the twenty first century, will be the one. He makes Saddam Hussein seem warm and fuzzy.

Look no further than Arizona where Bob Brenly is dying to leave the Diamondbacks and come to California.

He is a former Giant and no threat to Magowan. He probably could handle Barry Bonds, which is the most important attribute any new SF manager can have.

So where does Lou end up?

Piniella says he wants to be near home. Home is Tampa. The Mets and Devil Rays want Piniella and are ready to give Seattle compensation in the form of money and players for the right to sign the Billy Martin clone.

My advice to Lou is this: move your home to NY because if you choose Tampa Bay because your wife and daughter are there, you will be miserable on the baseball field with a perrenial loser, almost guaranteed to lose 90 games per year, which will do wonders for Lou’s health.

If Lou opts for some place other than the Mets Art Howe now enters the equation.

Billy Beane has given the Mets the right to negotiate with the A’s manager because “the all of a sudden magnanimous” Beane feels the A’s will not be able to sign Art after the 2003 season.

Beane is a devious sort and always has a trick up his sleeve. Art got too much credit for taking the hodge podge team Beane gave him in spring training 2002, turning the line up into 103 game winners.

It was Beane who insisted on Dave Justice batting fourth and Scott Hatteberg hiitting third in the initial line up. It was Beane who forced Howe and the pitching staff to have Jeremy Giambi and Terrence Long in the outfield, a defensive nightmare. It was Beane who forced Ted Lilly onto the post season roster.

Now, Beane would like to remove Art Howe, but can’t because Howe is signed to a 1.5 million dollar contract for next season.

So, he is trying to slip Art into NY and then he can hire the guy he really wants, his best friend AAA manager Bob Geren.

If Art goes to NY, there is a school of thought that Beane would hire Ken Macha to take the reins. Trouble is Macha is the number one choice of the Cubs, who may make the announcement any day. Do you think Macha wants to work for Beane after Beane denied Macha the chance to move up and interview for the Red Sox, Tigers, and Royals jobs last season?

Macha stewed all season over the tacky move by the A’s, of not allowing him to interview for the open jobs.

The only way Macha would work for Beane is if all the other available managerial jobs were to fall through for the veteran baseball man.

In the most dramatic irony of all, the Red Sox want Beane to be their GM, but the A’s won’t give him permission to move. This all takes place after Beane rips the fans for not coming out to the day time over priced playoff games.

If Macha gets the Cub job and Art Howe the Mets job, then Beane gets his wish by making Geren his manager.

Beane even planted Geren’s name with his media shill Peter Gammons in this week’s ESPN Column under Gammon’s name.

Now here’s one more scenario, Howe takes the Arizona job if Brenly leaves or the open Cub job if Macha doesn’t get it and then makes Macha his bench coach with the Cubs.

Now how about this. All opportunities to move Art Howe fall through and he is back running the A’s in 2003, his final season. The A’s already said they can’t meet the price of his next contract. How do you market the manager in 2003? Come out and see the team and Howe, although Howe won’t be here next year folks. Come out and see the 2002 Manager of the Year (maybe) run the team, that’s right folks, the one we tried to give to the Mets for nothing. Talk about bad PR, can’t the A’s ever give the fans any good news? If Howe doesn’t leave, let’s see Steve Schott spin this one. What a PR can of worms they opened this week.

The Bay Area, sitting on top of the baseball world may get rocked in just a short time if things fall a certain way, all because of the egos of Billy Beane and Peter Magowan.

And for what, Magowan complains that Dusty Baker gets too much publicity and Beane wants his buddy to run the club because Art Howe isn’t going to be his fall guy and shoulder the blame alone when Beane’s moves backfire.

Over 5 million baseball fans came to games in the Bay Area last year, you tell me what needs to be fixed.

And you thought Hollywood had the only scriptwriters around.

You haven’t seen baseball at work, just watch, it happened in 1964 in the blink of an eye as soon as the series ended.

Deja vu all over again.

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1 Anonymous { 10.17.02 at 11:39 pm }

The politics of baseball rival even the most back-stabbing of companies. All the press gives everyone a big head. Too bad they are thinking to effectively dump Art Howe, he really made a great deal of what he was given to work with this year. – David and Steve

2 marty { 10.18.02 at 12:30 am }

Art isn’t going to New York. He doesn’t need to get into a circus with the Mets and Lou Piniella. A few startegic changes and it’s another 95 win season. Now they can get busy improving the club for next year.

Marty

3 Anonymous { 10.18.02 at 11:41 am }

Somehow Art Howe has trouble managing in the playoffs. I still think his pitching rotation cost us that 3rd game in this most recent fiasco. Though I did not know that Lilly was Beane’s choice. The players like him so that is 80% of it and I do think Billy Beane makes a lot out of little. How much money can the A’s expect out of the new labor agreement? Is it enough to keep this team together? Justice’s salary should help. Henry Mayo

4 marty { 10.18.02 at 11:59 am }

Henry, Watching the LCS it takes men not boys to win this time of year. The A’s are still a young in age team, a couple of vets who still have something left in the tank would put this team over the top. Believe me, the manager can’t hit the ball or field the ball, he can only use the players given to him. Who gave him Ted Lilly? Who insisted that Zito pitch third?

Marty

5 Anonymous { 10.18.02 at 2:23 pm }

howe took himself out of the met job – i wouldn’t go there in a million years. howe was hired by

sandy alderson when larussa wouldn’t work for the a’s for a million and a half per year.the a’s

were thrilled to get how for 300 thousand and

the press thought he was lucky to get that.

the press praised billy beane to the heavens and

all art howe did was go about his business and get the best out of players. remember a couple of years ago, when jason giambi and matt stairs

went to bat, for give the pun, for howe to keep

his job and he responded with 3 great years.

the a’s attendance was over 2 million for the second year in a row and it wasn’t long ago that they barely brought in 1.1 million fans.

owners sometimes are their own worst enemies.. people should read harold parrott;s book “the lords of baseball” to get some insight

about how dumb these guys can be. both bay area teams have terrific managers. the players

respond to these men and play good ,sound baseball but i am sure that both of them will be

moving on soon, much to the dismay of the fans

6 Anonymous { 10.19.02 at 12:02 pm }

Hey Marty,

I agree with you 100% about Beane having too much say about who plays. Beane needs to stop being such a backseat driver. I blame the postseaon blundering, the rotation and Lilly’s role, on Beane more than I do Howe. Given that plust Beane’s snide comments about the fans is making me start to despise him. I hope Howe starts asserting some more control next season with the team. That’s the only thing that will put the A’s out on top.

-Mike

7 Anonymous { 10.19.02 at 7:08 pm }

Brilliant analysis of the Howe/A’s situation Marty!! I’d like to think that Howe pulled back the reigns with the Mets just to make the situation more awkward for the brass in Oakland next season but maybe I’m just wishful thinking. He can cash out a big payday if he can get the A’s back into the playoffs and over the mental block that is the ALDS I guess after game 3. Two years in a row their half of the AL first round should not have gone 5 games.

I do think it’s youth that is holding them back because but that’s not it entirely because the Twins aren’t all that old and they and the Angels aren’t as playoff tested as the A’s had been the last two years but their forays were much more successful. But the blame lays not solely with Howe and I’m glad somebody is publically taking up his cause. And I’m even more happy that someone is pointing a finger at Beane. I will probably go to my grave wondering why Ted Lilly was such a hot commodity that the A’s parted with wunderkind Pena so quickly. Unless Lilly rebounds healthier and more successfully next year. But the decision to get him back on the field in a month and drop him into the middle of the postseason will stick in my craw more than anything else.

I would have kept that same rotation they used for the playoffs…that is until the news got out that Hudson was hurt. Knowing that makes me wonder exactly why the decision was made to throw him in not only game 1 but to bring him back on short rest for game 4. But yet Beane is firmly convinced that “randomness” caused the A’s to fail to clinch the LDS in two consecutive clinching games.

There’s a lot of PR repair work the A’s front office needs to do. Not only did I not expect Beane and Schott to unload on the fans like they did, but I certainly did not expect to see them dangle Howe out to the Mets or who ever else comes calling.

8 Anonymous { 03.05.06 at 10:43 am }

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